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>> that general had snyden is not optimistic about the future. >> and then goes it's just going to get worse. thank you, general. all right. well, if it's way to early, it's "morning joe." mika what's next? >> time for "the rundown" right here on msnbc. have a great day, everybody. >> see you, guys. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart and first on "the rundown," a critical moment for president obama and an opportunity to change direction in the fight against terrorists. specifically isis. now at the white house representatives from 60 nations are meeting strategizing on how to defeat an increasingly barbaric group. bombing them has had a limited effect. aiding their enemies isn't doing much either and every time the u.s. seems to knock them back in one place, isis seems to gain ground somewhere else. at 4:15 eastern, the president himself will argue that we must expand the fight beyond the
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battlefield and get to the root of the problem. stopping these people from becoming terrorists in the first place. vice president biden laid out that argument at the summit's opening. >> we need answers that go beyond force. we have to work on the ground up, and engage our communities and engage those who might be susceptible to being radicalized. >> that kind of solution is a long-term prospect however. thousands of square miles in iraq and syria are currently under isis control. allies and sympathizers are sprinkled across nearly a dozen countries. at the same time the isis brutality intensifies by the day. out in western iraq we have just learned from a local politician that 48 security troops were locked in a truck, doused with gasoline and burned alive. we've seen video of isis forcing christians to kneel at the beach and beheading them.
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and video of being locked in cages and paraded through the streets. isis says they'll burn them to death just like they did a jordanian pilot. that excuse drew jordan into the fight. egypt started launching military strikes as well. the u.s. has led the fight from the air, but it's clear we're only willing to go so far. even when americans are killed. most recently kayla mueller, honored by her hometown of prescott arizona, tonight. the u.s. kept pursuing the same strategy. is something about to give? chris jansing, msnbc white house correspondent joining us from the white house. good to see you. >> reporter: how are you jose? >> good. tell us what's going to be happening throughout the a the white house? >> reporter: a series of meetings and officials, in particular from three local communities who have started some of these pilot programs are getting them up and running. boston, los angeles and in particular minneapolis, and the idea is what you just heard from joe biden which is this bottom-up approach they believe
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you cannot win this war just with military might, but you have to go after the hearts and minds. the president kind of previewed the speech he'll give this afternoon in an op-ed piece he wrote for the "l.a. times" and wrote in part groups likeeiseleicesil and isis of course, no chance of improving their lives. the world la to offer youth something better. what does that mean? for example, i know a bit about the minneapolis program where they do have a lot of community programs, after-school programs youth sports. what they're trying to do is intervene with what they believe are some youth who may be at risk of being radicalized. on the other hand this is just a $15 million program and while $1 million may mean a lot to one community group, obviously, in the broader scheme of things it's not that much money. there's also been push back in the muslim community, because they believe it targets them or
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unfairly sygma tizs stizs them and this will be use in intelligence gathering. they have work to do. they're talking about today what they call best practices, looking at the early stages of these programs and what's working and how it could possibly grow to cities across the country. jose? >> chris jansing, thank you so much. good to see you wbuyou. i want to remind you, you can see this live right here on msnbc 4:15 eastern time. bring in the deputy director and amber smith, currently spokes penn spokeswoman for concerned veterans of america. the idea the u.s. can lead an effort to help improve lives of disaffected muslims in the middle east does that sound realistic? >> i think you can talk about countering terrorism, counterterrorism operations we've gotten very good at this
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past 13 years of war, but how do you counter poverty, injustice? corruption? which is leading so many young people. there's a new report out today saying this. to seek other options? which is i think, what the white house is trying to get at. so i do think that you know general mcchrystal and other folks like that will tell you cannot kill your way to an end to this battle. there has to be another kind of countering that happens and that's what the white house is focused on toernlgtsdday. >> that may be true but the fact a lot of these countries have societies that do feel slighted but the very rich oil-rich nations. syria has oil. libya has oil. and they have a political system that doesn't work but it's not as though it's poverty only that causes these people to turn against us. >> yeah. i think that's actually the key question, right? there's a report out today saying that actually one of the biggest contributors to youth violence and youth disaffection in terms of extremism is actually injustice and poverty.
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so i think that injustice and corruption are huge issues in the united states that's facing a very strange balancing act in terms of how do you attack those issues while not disaffecting allies who you will need? and by the way, those allies are now leading their own air strike against isis targets. >> amber, getting some good nud and bad news from the battlefield. on the one hand kurdish fighters have driven back an isis attack in the north but isis is graining ground in western iraq? >> yeah. basically what we've seen since the end of august the beginning of september in terms of this air campaign is really a mediocre effort at best. what we're seeing is a handful of air strikes here there, going after these targeted opportunities with just pinprick air strikes. and bombing a vehicle here and a vehicle there isn't going to set isis back. that's not how you turn the tides of war against an enemy like isis. >> right, but i mean for example
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in kobani they got handed you know -- they lost and they lost pretty consistently. thanks to the fighters, but also to the bombing campaign. so there are ways of beating these people on the battlefield. >> there absolutely is but what we need to see is sort of an increased aggressive air campaign. turns it on 24/7. going after all of isis targets, including in raqqa their headquarters, supply routes. syrian isis fighters in syria and iraq are having the freedom to maneuver back and forth across the border. that needs to be stopped. they need to up it and bring in some attack helicopters and some a-10s and close air supports and basically go after all isis fighters that are going back and forth across that border. and that then will get rid of some of the movement of isis and allow fighters on the ground includes the peshmerga, kurds and different iraqi army forces
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to then game back from territory on the ground and push isis back. >> an article in "the atlantic," doesn't understand isis. alternatives like al qaeda did, concessions. do we have a misunderstanding what exactly isis is and what they want? >> there have been people within the administration talking about isis for 18 months who warned well before it held territory what it was technique to do. right now you see a battle amber was talking about, through the seat belt versus the gas pedal in terms of the american war effort is. on one hand the administration does not want to get the united states into another war, ground war in the middle east. on the other hand is the air campaign enough? and i think when you talk 0 to people inside and outside the administration, the big et question is, what happens to those moderate syrian forces whom we're going to start training next month who should be ready for the battlefield in the coming months? what kind of air protection will they receive from the united states if any? what kind of defense if they are
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attacked, will they receive, if any? those are the real questions we'll we're going to face going forward and wes look at the fight against isis. >> amber, seems as though in the areas affected by this the areas most affected iraq and in syria, there are very little groups of people willing to put up a fight, physical fight, against isis. you have the peshmerga. you talked about that. the iraqi army not there. syria is in shambles. it seems as though there's no real fighting force of any strength there? >> well i think there are -- just as you mentioned, the peshmerga has gained significant grounds in the fight against isis we've seen from the beginning but we need a talk about supporting them more. any aid the u.s. is gives to vaek through the baghdad government. we need to start directly arming and supplying the peshmerga, because they are doing significant fighting especially like up in the northwestern
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parts. in iraq. until we -- until we get serious about who we're supporting, and we're not going to see much change. right now we're just seeing you know it traditional training iraqi troops which has been done in the past and you know, the longer we wait the more time ice hayes to gain strength and more fighters and recruit and gain more money. but this needs to happen now or we're going to continue to see more beheadings, more burning of people alive, stoning of women and brutally murdering children until we decide to get in the fight and get rid of isis once and for all. >> amber smith and gayle lamont. thank you both for being with me this morning. >> thank you. i want to take you to news out of ukraine. we've been telling you in recent days about fierce fighting going on around a railroad hub in eastern ukraine. this morning that finally fell to russian separatists. retreating under the orders of president poroshenko. separatists say they've taken hundreds more captive. a big deal because the city
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connects dan nefk and louuhansx. we're continue to monitor these developments. now the historic cold taking over the eastern half of the u.s. temperatures taking a serious nosedive adding instaultult to injury to many places like boston dealing with an unprecedented snowy february. we've heard at the pineapple express. now it's all aboard the siberian express? >> yes. we have polar air coming down. this is renewed cold air. we've been talking about record-breaking temperatures and, again, over the next couple of mornings we'll have a chance to break more records. what we're looking at today, though is a front making for a little bit of snow moving through the ohio valley. this is going to continue to advance east. the good thing with this is we're not expecting a whole lot of snowfall with it.
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so for parts of the northeast, it's a general one to two inches. but because the temperatures are so cold it will freeze right away. so roads are going to be very slippery throughout the day from the ohio valley all the way up through the northeast. there's a look at the cold temperatures. you can see them sitting up there in canada renewing the colds once again. the next couple of mornings temperatures brutal and life-threatens even. a look what we can see thursday morning. notice the core of the cold is in minneapolis and chicago. minus 9. these are actual air temperatures. windchills could go as low as minus 40 and then on friday that colder air advances more to the south and to the east. jose? >> did you just say 40 dominica? >> minus 40 for the windchill in parts of north dakota and northern minnesota. >> okay. >> that's the feels-like. >> horrible. thank you. >> it is. just getting started on this wednesday edition of "the rundown." after the break, jeb bush heads to the president's hometown of chicago to raise money and
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later today in chicago jeb bush giving a major speech since expressing interest in a white house run. speaking on challenges confronts
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the united states namely global threats, but his biggest hurd's might be here at home when it comes to convincing voters he'd be a different kind of president bush bush. in excerpts we expect him to name his brother and father and walk a fine line against a family and a skeptical public. joining me amigos good to see you both. casey, start with you. if jeb bush does run, his last name will both are a positive and a negative. how's he going to address that today? >> hey, jose. well, the speech we're expecting him to give later today will about broad indictment of the -- of president obama's foreign policy but really the elephant in the room is his father and brother, particularly his brother who got america into the war in iraq that was so unpopular and that some might argue ultimately led to president obama winning that election in 2008 or was a big
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contributory that. we expect him to say e"i'm luck toy have a father and brother who shaped america from the oval office. my views will often be held up in compares ton theirs sometimes in contrast to theirs but i am my own man and my views of shapeed by my own thinking and my own experiences." so i think that's -- you know that's how you're going to see jeb bush try and set himself apart from the legacies of his father and his brother, because you know right now that's who americans know him as. they know him as the brother of these two presidents. they don't know him for much else and that's part of the reason why you see in some polls high unfavorable numbers for bush even at this early stage. >> and casey, you just mentioned, a serious attack on the president's foreign policy just a few hours ahead of the president's speech on terror and isis. and a couple interesting lines. i'll quote one.
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#campaigns replace actual engagement. does jeb see an opportunity here? >> all the republicans at this point do. the rhetoric that we're going to hear we're expecting to hear from governor bush today lines up with what other republicans have said in the past. it's a lot of what we heard mitt romney talk about in 2012. marco rubio and chris christie laid it out on the campaign trail. think tab in the context who they're expecting to run against in the general election which is to say hillary clinton, who they're all going to try to tie in to this obama foreign policy. it they're going to go after her record in a substantive way they have to be talking about these global issues. i think how this ultimately lines up depends on whether or not 2016 becomes a foreign policy election. if the current trends continue and if isis continues to be the threat that we're seeing it evolve to be and this is something we're really talking about come fall of 2016 you're really going to see a dividing
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line as the central theme of the 2016 election. so i think that's kind of the general outline of what year going to hear from bush today. >> and, ed you write today jeb bush hired nearly two dozen people who work for either his father or brother to advise him on foreign policy. who are these people and what kind of advice will he get that's maybe different from what the other employers were getting? >> and that's the interesting part here. while he says he'll be his own man he's certainly relying on a lot of people who worked for his father and brother. people like former secretary of state james baker. former homeland security secretary tom rimp and michael chertoff michael mu mukasey. a national security adviser for the iraq war and guys like reichened a few others focused on western hemisphere issues of course, a big concern and interest of the governor given he's from there in miami or living in miami and has always been concerned about the issue,
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but it is remarkable for him to go out and say that i'm going to be my own man, i love my father and brother, oh by the way, here are 21 of those that worked with them. to thread an incredibly narrow needle. remember his father's foreign policy differs substantially from that of his brother and the idea the neoconservatives working for his brother versus other whose work for his father conflict between these two camps for years and now embodied in jeb himself and what he decides to talk about. i think we'll see some of that today, and you'll be able to go through the speech later, say, that's like his dad. a little more like his brother. maybe more unique to himself. really interesting to see how this 21 how many of them sustain themselves through the campaign with him and might actually, you know, end up on the campaign way peiroll and one day possibly working at the white house? >> chertoff. his brother's point man on capitol hill when george w. bush
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tried to get that passed. see kwhaps swhat happens on immigration as well. thank you both for being with me this morning. appreciate your time. after the break, zooming through some of today's other top stories including a new governor for the state of oregon. plus the mysterious death of a prosecutor in argentina gets new attention today as the country's foreign minister asks the united states for help. i'll explain four right here on "the rundown." ♪ nice! gr-reat! a shot like that... calls for a post-game
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and now to the president's immigration actions originally set to go into effect today, but the white house is having to delay them at least for now after the federal court ruling against them late monday night. here's what the president said late yesterday. >> with respect to the ruling i disagree with it. i think the law's on our side and history son our side. is on our side and we are going to appeal it, and we will be prepared to implement this fully as soon as the legal issues get resolved. >> with pro-immigration rallies and other events taking place akrot the country yesterday and continuing throughout the week the governor who brought the initial suit republican greg abbott of texas did a victory lap sort of in his state of the state address. >> the first step in securing our border is enforcing the rule of law. i'm proud to report that late last night a federal judge
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halted the president's executive action plan. [ applause ] >> msnbc's aplanned da sukuma coving the lawsuit from the beginning an joins us. good morning. >> good morning. >> you've done a lot of reporting the last 24 hours how long the issues will take to be resolved. what's the verdict? >> uncertainty as far as timing mixed with a strong sense of confidence as far as the outcome. what i mean by that jose is that the administration immigration advocates and legal experts agree that the administration will likely prevail in these legal matters but the issue is how long exactly will it take? as you mentioned, the justice department will be appealing the decision, but they haven't said exactly what they plan to do and the white house said that they will take another few days to ultimately decide. the overwhelming consensus is that justice department will ask for an emergency stay from the appeals court which would mean that the enrollment would be able to move forward while the
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appeals court decides on the merits of the case. now if that were to happen that wouldn't happen for another few weeks and take another additional months for it to play out in the courts. so even in the best case snare quo for the obama administration, legal experts believe it will be another few weeks before anyone can start enrolling for the actions and another few months before it would be resolved. >> amanda the white house and pretty much everybody else expected this decision by this judge. they said this is something that was not unexpected, yet it seems as though they're now waiting until this happens to begin to consider how to react to it. is that correct? i mean they knew think was probably going to be this way and yet now they're starting to react? >> well, i think because they were expecting this, they wanted it to be a seamless -- everything as usual as far as on the ground and not wanting to stir up confusion. they're still holding rallies on the ground with advocates. they are still hosting rallies.
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they are having information sessions, and they're really trying to get the word out to the parents of these dreamers and the parents of the u.s.-born citizens who would qualify for the daca program because the belief is they hope the new actions would be ready to be open for enrollment in the spring as planned. >> amanda thank you so very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. let me bring in a dreamer, immigration advocate co-director of dream action. good to see you. >> hi. good morning. >> you're perfectly suited to talk about this because you and your family specifically your sister are immediately impacted by this decision. tell us how that decision has impacted your lives? >> yeah. for sure. so in 2012 when the president announced the first deferred action for dreamers my sister was actually like a year and a half older than the age cap.
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and for us it was -- at least for me completely shocking to see that. i thought it was-dash year and a half, so now that the president would say, to lift up the cap, she was able to -- to be eligible for this. it was just amazing news. she started enrolling in a ged course. hadn't been able to graduate from high school had been able to and excited to get her ged to apply for daca and hears news yesterday. devastating and my entire family but at the same time we know this is basically -- we see it as a small road block but think that -- at the end of the day we think we'll be able to win and the biggest thing now is really letting people know that right? so they're not scared. so that they actually start enrolling as soon as we're able to get past this road block. >> and you may remember i actually talked to the president about the fear that is created when you have so many states
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challenging this decision. and there's very real fear in many people, in the hispanic community, because of the uncertainty that is created after yesterday's decision. this is not a light decision. this is a federal judge saying this is not going to go forward. any clear sense of what happens next for people like your sister, for your family? >> yeah. i mean this is -- i think, too, a lot of us, we believe that, you know, that the folks who made this lawsuit happen the governor from texas, these folks knew that you know i don't think they believe they're going to win. i think this is more of a strategy to get, you know folks to be fearful about this. to be confused. like folks don't really understand the legalities of this they don't understand how the jur additional system works and tons of people in the organization, organization that calls calls from around the country basically asking is this over?
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will i be deported 23 eded if i do apply and after we win the lawsuit? it's just a lot of fear that people are starting to feel. for us the biggest challenge, make sure people understand what's going on. that they know this is just a temporary halt of the program in that we think we are going to be able to win at the end but it's definitely really challenging, and we have a lot of work to do to make sure that community understands what's happening. >> and also important because yesterday was as we've been talking the day -- i mean today was the day supposedly the expansion of daca took effect and in a couple of months dack ashgs it's important the people in the latino community are not taken by thieves probably saying now, no no no listen. we can get you in this expansion of daca. forget the headlines. it's important the community not be, fall prey to victims of these unscrupulous people in the community that are trying to steal their money. >> that's correct, jose.
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i think you know, another very important message that we're sending out is if people need to start -- they need to continue gathering their documents, continue getting prepared. it takes a while sometimes to get evidence to prove a lot of the -- you know different eligibility requirements. so we ask folks to continue to do that. we you know -- it might be a matter of weeks, it might be a couple of months. we don't know exactly it would be implemented but we do know that, you know we are very confident that we're going win at the end. we do -- we know this is constitutional and again, people need to start getting prepared which it does happen we can get as many people as possible to be able to apply for this because we're going to need the numbers. we're going to need to be a successful program and definitely the gop and the folks that did this are not making it any easier but it will be our job to make sure that folks do apply. >> erica, always a pleasure. >> thank you, jose. to the record-breaking cold
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targeting, well the eastern half of the entire country including the deep south. even feeling it here in miami. the next couple of day, temperatures 25 to 40 degrees below average. icy roads cause all kinds of problems in tennessee, where more snow is in the forecast. weather channel meteorologist maria della rosa in nashville. >> reporter: jose the sun is back out in nashville. an additional half inch of snow this time around nashville but it's across icy, icy roadways and walkways that have plagued the city for the morning drive. interstate 65 and 24 all problematic this morning, but with some help from the sun we continue to see melting. unfortunately we still have ice around tree limbs. wit cold arctic air coming in winds gumpting to 25 miles per hour concerned over a new round of power outages. as of this morning, still some 43,000 customers without power down from a high of 60,000 from
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yesterday. kids will be out of school. that's another good thing, just can't handle this kind of cold. they are off through the end of the week here in nashville and many districts as well following suit. record temperatures drop for thursday morning. back up, though by the weekend, into the 40s, which believe it or not, jose is still below average. back to you. >> the weather channel's march dolorosa. thank you very much. and that's cold for us. up next train cars smoldering this morning in west virginia. nearly 40 hours after a freight train derailed causing major explosions forcing residents out of homes. a live update. also the backup at west coast ports is growing by the day. some 34 ships unable to dock and that means the goods aren't able to get to store shelves, and the ripple effects could cost billions. more on the port slowdown, next hour. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?"
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in west virginia the fire is still smoldering this morning at the scene of monday's spectacular oil train derailment and resulting massive fireball. anne thompson is live at the scene. what's the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: good morning, jose. well investigators are waiting for that scene behind me to cool down. the fires apparently are out. we saw fires earlier this morning, but no sign of flames as you can see. there is still some smoke coming out of those trains but that's actual lay good sign because what investigators are hoemping that the area will cool down cool down enough so they can get in and pry trai to start figuring out just what caused this horrific accident. the fireball that erupted happened even though the oil was carried on improved tankers. >> a train derailment. last train on fire.
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>> reporter: tankers designed to better withstand an accident. >> i think that calls into question how resilient and how tough these tank cars actually may be. >> reporter: even 24 hours after the derailment, the scene was still too hot for investigators to inspect. 19 of the 109 trail cars still smoldering, more than 100 of those cars oil tankers. the train was carrying oil from the bakken fields in north dakota to virginia. they say bakken oil is more flammable and that heavier cruise from canada or california. more oil is being carried on the rails. in 2009, more than 10,000 tanker cars carried oil. in 2013 that number jumped to 500,000, and we have seen a rise in high-profile accidents. last april, 30,000 gallons of oil went into the james river in lynchburg, virginia. december 2013 400,000 gallons
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spilled in castleton, north dakota and in just 2013 47 people killed in quebec canada. a day after being told not to drink the water for fear of contamination, some good news for residents. >> now with the tests coming back all negative people can get their, you know water and get their lives back to order. >> reporter: now, while the taps are open here for some 2,000 residents, they remain under a boil water order this morning. as for the cause of the accident csq railroad says it's much too early to speculate. during the train derailment there was just a tremendous snowstorm going on here. csx also points out just three days before the accident the rails in the area were inspected. jose? >> and anne let's talk about what's being done to address some of the safety kearnsconcerns about the oil train tankers? >> reporter: well, there is a proposal before the white house right now.
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it's to require stronger, more crash-resistant tankers and tankers that have electronic brakes. as we pointed out in the piece, the reason so much oil is now carried by rail is because of fracking. basically, oil is now being found in places where there aren't pipeline. to get to do refineries they are shipping it by rail and that is why you're seeing the accidents go up and why there are questions raised about just how safe those tankers are. jose? >> nbc's anne thompson. >> thank you. and releasing new details about a deadly road rage attack on a las vegas mother and authorities continue their search for a suspect. nbc's joe fryer has the latest details. >> reporter: at a candlelight vigil tammy myers is remembered by her children. the mother of four killed last week in a road rage attack. >> i miss my mom a lot. i think about her all the time. she didn't deserve this.
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>> she did everything she possibly could to protect me and i love her so much. >> reporter: las vegas police are releasing new information about that night based on conversations with myers' family. it was around 11:00 p.m. they say myers was behind the wheel giving driving lessons to her 15-year-old daughter. the suspect's vehicle, a silver sedan rapidly approached. her daughter reached over honking the horn. then the suspect pulled in front of them and stopped. >> that suspect approached mrs. myers car with her daughter in it and words were said by the suspect. this frightened mrs. myers and her daughter. >> reporter: police say myers raced home dropping often her daughter and picking up her 22-year-old son who had a gun. >> they left the house in search of that person. they were -- that mrs. myers was involved in an incident with. >> reporter: police say myers and her son found the other car, following it at one point before breaking away and driving home. they parked in their cul-de-sac and the suspect vehicle came
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down the street. >> a volley of rounds fired from that vehicle. her 22 son was also armed. he returned fire. >> i did what i had to do to protect my family. everyone can think what they have to think. i did it for a reason. and i'd do it for anyone i love. >> reporter: myers was hit by the suspect, police say. she died two days later on valentine's day i. would never say anybody went looking for trouble. unfortunately i can't ask tammy what was in her mind at the time of her actions. what i can say is this. at this point in time tansy a victim. >> that was nbc's joe fryer reporting. when we come back here on "the rundown," earthquakes are a part of everyday life in california, but scientists say the rick of a big one hitting is very real. i'll talk with a seismologist who is working with the mayor of los angeles on preparations. and best in show goes to the beagle miss p, whose real name by the way is payton. the westminster kennel club
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now to a startling prediction for the west coast. scientists say a massive earthquake in southern california is not a matter of if but when. los angeles mayor eric garcetti and renowned seismologist unveiled a new plan to prepare the region. the goal to prevent massive loss of life and homes and buildings from collapsing in a major quake. and the threat is real. look at all of the yellow lines on the map of southern california. each one of these lines
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represent a fault line. joining me now, seismologist lucy jones. what a pleasure to see you. >> good to be here jose. >> thanks. the mayor says a large number of wood frame buildings are vulnerable and pointed out key water supply lines cross the san andreas fault. what steps can be taken? >> the plan that i worked with with the city has 18 different recommendations. five concern buildings. we are going to be mandating that owners of old buildings that we know are going to hurt people in earthquakes do need to be retrofitted. on wood frame, soft first story buildings with a hole on the first floor, carport or whatever, those have to be strengthened within five years. the concrete buildings built before 1980 are going to have to be evaluated if they have problems and fix over a 30 year period. >> is there any way to forecast when the next big quake might happen in southern california or anywhere else?
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>> not on human time frames. they work on geologic time. so if you gave me 100,000 years, i can tell you the faults that are going to go. the ones in our life times, a random subset of that. >> i covered a number of earthquakes, the 1985 earthquake in mexico the earthquake four or five years ago in chile, and there are different kinds of earthquakes, right? and some can be because of the level and type of earthquake can be more devastating than others. >> the big issue is magnitude, how much energy is released in the earthquake a bigger earthquake effects a larger area with stronger shaking, the other issue is how close you are to the fault. in chile,s fault, magnitude 8.8, but it is offshore. nobody was on top of the fault. whereas a month earlier in haiti, the 7.0 ran through the city of port-au-prince. then you have to combine
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buildings. so chile has some of the best building codes and enforcement in the world, and haiti obviously the opposite. what we are trying to do in los angeles is deal with buildings that we know are going to fall down, which are ones built to earlier building codes. >> lucy jones, seismologist, appreciate you being here. appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. as we take a turn on "the rundown," expecting the white house where president obama will speak this afternoon at the summit combatting religious extremism, getting a live report, isis launches new assaults overseas. the so-called "american sniper" of eddie ray routh enters a new phase as the defense begins testimony. we take you to the courthouse in stevenville, texas next. check this out. ice sculptor don harris carving a goddess off a natural piece of ice that formed off a rail
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welcome to hour two of "the rundown." keeping a close eye on the white house where representatives from dozens of countries are looking at new ways to push back against threat of violent extremists. president obama will speak at 4:15 eastern time. second of homeland security jeh johnson spoke this morning. >> we have evolved to a new phase in the global terrorist threat. we therefore must evolve to a new phase in our counter terrorism efforts. in just a short period of time we've come a long way, and terrorist organizations' ability to communicate, they have the ability to reach into our communities and attempt to recruit and inspire individuals
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who may turn toward violence right here in the home land. >> while the debate goes on in washington the fight goes on in iraq and across the middle east. kurdish forces managed to repel a major isis assault near irbil, but isis is gaining grounds, seizing two-thirds of he will baghdad ee burying more than 50 officers alive in the process according to a politician. kier simmons is in london kris jansing at the white house. kier, i want to start with you. what's happening on the battlefield? >> reporter: talk first about what happened overnight near irbil. it was close quarters combat that continued for hours. senior iraqi security official says tens of isis fighters killed and injured, some vehicles destroyed, while local sources say isis launched several waves of attack before
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being repelled by reinforcements and air strikes. this was close to the key city of irbil. in august they attempted to push toward that city. a place where u.s. officials are based and what it suggests is despite sustained bombing campaign, isis still feels confident enough to launch this kind of an attack in general in terms of macro picture in iraq it is something of a stalemate because as we discussed many times, you cannot win a battle with air power, but you can pin down your opponent and in this case the opponent being isis you can pin down an opponent. these are really not skirmishes but smaller battles over smaller pieces of territory, while most of the map is relatively fixed. >> what are they hoping to take away from the summit kris? >> reporter: they want to
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broaden the picture, authorization for military force talking about what we do in the air, on the ground this is about what they call a bottom up approach, going into local communities. they're hearing from three of them today, los angeles, boston minneapolis, who have programs to target young people who are subject to radicalization. minneapolis is a perfect example of that they've had some problems with al shabab recruit recruiting in the community, they had problems up and running when the justice department went in. this is initiative led by department of justice. they have $15 million in the broad spectrum isn't a lot of money, but for some community groups that want to work with potentially diseffected youth would like some of that cash. they're going to look at best practices and hope to learn things that will spread to other countries around the country.
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>> the administration was criticized not referring to isis as islamic extremists. is that internal debate at the white house as well? >> reporter: islamic extremism versus violent extremism, this is a very well discussed decision on the part of this white house. if you look at the los angeles times op-ed piece that the president wrote today about it that's the term he uses violent extremism. they're very careful, they don't want to target the muslim community. one of the push backs they have from community programs is that muslim leaders are feeling as though the muslim american community is really being targeted as the source of the program, which they believe the problem is much broader than that but you're right. they've taken a lot of criticism for it. there's a lot of conversation about you need to address the reality of what's going on there, that there is a misuse
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misinterpretation of what islam is and stands for. that's a debate that's on-going. you're not going to hear when the president speaks at 4:15 today him using that term islamic extremist. jose? >> thank you so much for being with me. one of the biggest challenges confronting isis is the ability to reach sympathizers online. isis and affiliates are sending 90,000 messages a day on social media. for more on that bring in the senior analyst with flashpoint global partners. good to see you. >> good to see you, jose. >> how far behind is the u.s. trying to fight isis in cyberspace? >> we are actually pretty far, you know, isis main success is decentralized media, run by supporters worldwide. once it puts a video out or picture or image, whether it is
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gruesome or not, supporters take that, make sure it never disappears online. 90,000 seems to me like a small number in comparison to what i see every day online. >> really. i want to get your thoughts on the president's los angeles op-ed today. he writes our campaign to prevent people around the world from being radicalized to violence is ultimately a battle for the hearts and minds. we heard that the battle for hearts and minds, around for generations now. is that something that can be actually effective? can it be carried out? >> i mean we can do so much as government, you know but the people in the region whether the middle east and north africa and other places where terrorism has really effected the lives of these people you know winning the hearts and minds, the people themselves have to be responsible for these deradicalization campaigns, offering counter narrative. a program run by the state department or super power is not going to be as effective as we
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would like it to be. we need people that know the culture and linguist particular underping, battle the jihadists of isis online. >> boko haram released another propaganda video. tell us about that. >> what's interesting about the new video is that the leader of boko haram directs a message to the leaders of african nations. he specifies nigeria, but others. warns them about following in the footsteps of democracy, he warns them that democracy is not going to work he is going to battle them basically to the last drop of blood if they continue on this process of democracy, but he also in a way besides threatening them threatening to take over areas invites them to islam, which is strange in comparison to previous videos in which he threatens with bloodshed. >> talk to me about what their
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concept of democracy is because they're fighting against a concept, their concept of democracy is -- >> you know listen anti-democracy sentiment in jihadi propaganda has been around since beginning of days. just the issue here is that boko haram feels that it is now in control of a number of areas of northeastern nigeria, will expand almost in the footsteps of the islamic state which it feels it is part of. they want this concept of nigeria to make more recruits spread their propaganda in local areas, but in the end, nigeria is a strong country. we just need to support it in order to defeat boka. >> pleasure to see you. thanks for being with me. now to winter weather alert. a large chunk of the country is dealing with record cold temperatures courtesy of something called siberian
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express. nbc's dominica davis joins us. how bad is it going to be? >> could be looking at record breaking temperatures and numerous ones morning lows thursday and friday expected to be minus 0 with wind chills minus 40s. this is a big system. we have snow showers on the radar. pushing out of the ohio valley. the good thing with this it is not a big snow maker, talking general one to two inches. because temperatures are so cold, it means it all freezes right away. here is a look at the wind chills. feels like minus 14 in chicago, minus 2 in detroit, that's just wind chills. we are talking actual air temperatures that are going to be below zero in the next 48 hours. tomorrow morning when minneapolis, people in minneapolis wake up it will be minus 9, minus 7 in chicago.
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in this area of northern plains and midwest, tomorrow morning wind chills could be from minus 25 to minus 40. we are talking some very serious, dangerous cold air that will be around through the end of the work week. >> dominica davis, thank you so much. want to take you to boston where they received 8 feet of snow this winter. that's leading some people to do this. >> no! >> people are jumping out of windows into the snow. the boston mayor scolded them in a news conference yesterday. >> people jumping out windows into snowbanks. first of all, it is a foolish thing to do. and you could kill yourself. so i'm asking people to stop the nonsense right now. >> msnbc's adam reiss joins us
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from boston. one thing that isn't funny, the impact snow is having on the local economy. >> reporter: that's right, jose. it is not only disrupting people's lives here but it is also costing a lot of money. the governor says it cost the state about a billion dollars in lost sales and productivity, and some store owners say it is hitting their bottom line as well. >> the snow has definitely effected business negatively. we have had to close down for a couple of days. >> it has been very difficult with the snow people are not able to come in. business has been really off. >> it is making people not go to restaurants, not come out and shop for running shoes or running apparel or even think about that. you might now notice what were you paying for in a pair of shoes, you may have to pay for a roof repair. >> reporter: one woman told me she already spent $1600 on
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developing now in texas, the "american sniper" trial continues this morning with the defense attorneys for eddie routh presenting their first full day of testimony. the prosecution rested its case against the former marine yesterday. he is charged with capital murder for shooting deaths of chris kyle and his friend chad littlefield, at a texas shooting range two years ago. the defense began by calling its first witness yesterday, routh's mother, who asked kyle to help her troubled son. she testified she did not know kyle was taking her son to a shooting range, saying quote, i was just looking for help for my son. nbc's charles hadlock is live outside the courthouse in stevenville, good morning. what are we expecting today? >> reporter: good morning, jose. we are expecting to hear more from routh's family and family friends today. yesterday jodie routh, eddie's mother was on the stand much of the day, she testified that routh had been in a va mental hospital three times since his
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discharge from the military. she said that he was discharged just eight days before the killings, she pleaded with the hospital to keep him there because he was psychotic. she also testified that about 30 days before the murders she met with chris kyle. kyle's children went to the school where she worked and kyle came to meet her. she asked for help for her son and chris kyle reportedly said he would do anything and everything to help eddie ray routh. after the killings eddie ray routh drove kyle's pickup truck to his sister's house and told her that he had killed two men and traded his soul for a trick. his sister called the mother and jodie testified yesterday that when she got that call she had chris kyle's phone number in her cell phone and called the number praying to god that chris kyle would answer. but of course he never did. jose? >> nbc's charles hadlock, thank you so much. now to growing back lash
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over new policy at the university of massachusetts at a.m. hurs. iranian nationals barred from studying certain science and engineering courses. nbc justice correspondent pete williams joins us with the story. good morning. >> reporter: jose, it is a new admissions policy. the school says it has no choice, says it is forced to do this by federal law, turning away students from iran for some graduate engineering and science programs. >> it is 100% not okay that's racism. >> reporter: the university says it is following a 2012 federal law that blocks iranian nationals from getting a visa to study in the u.s. if they plan to work in nuclear or energy fields. part of sanctions intended to prevent iran from developing a nuclear weapon. >> they're prejudging people that want to study sciences and just assuming they're going to use it for something negative. and that's not okay, it is limiting. >> reporter: opponents making their views known on facebook
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with more than 3,000 followers. the university is standing by the decision saying in a statement we recognize our adherence to federal law may create difficulties for students from iran and regard this as unfortunate. we have no choice but to institute policies and procedures to ensure we are in full compliance with all applicable laws. while the university cites a visa policy state department official tells nbc news u.s. law does not prohibit qualified iranian nationals coming to united states for education and science in engineering. each application is reviewed case by case. we will reach out to u mass amherst to discuss the specific decision. a former student says iranians on campus feel marginalized. quote, we always felt like an integral part of the university community, now we're just kind of confused. >> just think it is discriminating and takes away their opportunities. >> reporter: an official at the university says other schools have exactly the same policy. he says the difference is that u
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mass amherst made its version of it public. jose? >> nbc's pete williams thanks so much. good to see you. up next zoom through some of the other stories, including incredible images of northern lights caught on camera. and a big accident from one of the most prestigious college programs. how carnegie mellon turned rejection into -- first, developing the news coast to coast. you're looking live at the port of charleston in south carolina where vice president joe biden is about to speak about investing in america's infrastructure. meanwhile, across the country, the labor secretary spending a second day in california addressing a major labor dispute that has operations at 29 critical ports at near stand still. new developments and much more when "the rundown" comes right back. most of the products we all buy are transported on container ships. before a truck delivers it to your store,
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an oil train smoldering, the port shutdown and spectacular northern lights caught on camera. let's zoom through today's top stories. west virginia fire is smoldering at the scene of monday's train derailment and resulting massive fireball. charred remains of 19 oil cars still too hot for investigators to get close to. environmental experts don't think oil seeped into nearby rivers, the accident raising questions about dangerous cargo moving across the country. stand still continues at ports off the coast, long labor dispute. the labor secretary, tom perez in california a second day, meeting with both sides, hoping to avoid total shut down of 29 west coast ports. labor department said while both parties made tremendous progress, it is imperative the parties come to an immediate
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agreement to prevent further damage to our economy. even if the dispute ended today, could take weeks or months to upload all of the ships, then cargo containers filled with auto parts, electronics, other merchandise must be taken off the ships. an emotional roller coaster for applicants to carnegie mellon master's program in computer science. admissions office mistakenly sent acceptance e-mails to 800 applicants, followed with a second e-mail to say you're not accepted, you're rejected. saying the system incorrectly flagged them as admitted. the university says only about 100 are accepted into the master's program every year. finally, check it out. the skies over northern sweden lit up this week with what was described as one of the most spectacular shows of northern lights in recent years. videographers shot this time lapse sequence from oh business poe national park in sweden. they're a result of collisions
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between the earth gases and matter released by the sun's atmosphere. the collisions release colorful streams into the sky. beautiful. coming up next the president's immigration actions set to go into effect today have been delayed, reigniting protest and debate on capitol hill. members of congress from both sides weigh in next. first, a live look at the pope mass under way now at the vatican. today marks the first day of lent for christians.
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should apply, we are going to refer those questions to department of homeland security that's begun the planning process, and we will be prepared to implement this fully, as soon as the legal issues get resolved. >> the governor who brought initial suit republican greg abbott of texas, said the suit will withstand appeals, thanks to the president's own words. >> barack obama is our star witness. 22 times barack obama said he did not have the authority to implement this type of measure, and then the day after he signed this into law he said quote, i just changed the law. those words alone show that he violated the constitution and violated federal law. >> and again, his reaction to all of this joining me illinois democratic congressman, luis gutierrez. >> good to be with you. >> what's your response to governor abbott using the
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president's own words about this immigration, whether he has the authority to do this. >> i think it is sad when you listen to the governor of the state of texas refer to the president of the united states in his first and last name barack obama barack obama. it shows a disrespect for the office and for the institution and for the president himself. that kind of shows what underlines. see, the governor thinks he just beat barack obama, the president of the united states. president barack obama. it is not what he did. what he did, this is an attack against american families against an immigrant community across this nation and those who love and cherish them and those in america who want a fair and sensible immigration policy so for those who think this is a fight between republicans and the president of the united states you fail miserably, not considering this is a fight against american families.
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>> what repercussions and impact will this have on american families and the country as a whole? >> sure. look they went and they shopped, for an activist conservative judge. they went to brownsville, they went to texas. they know this will be appealed to fifth circuit. they know that's in new orleans and they know it is very conservative there. the judge that issued this ruling several months ago you probably recall said that president obama's policies on immigration when the children were arriving at the border were an open invitation for the most dangerous criminals to come into our society. that's the kind of judge. seems the judge is much more a politician and is issuing political statements than judicial statements. what the justice department will do, it will appeal the decision. it is very clear that the president's decision is based and grounded clearly on clear legal precedent that has been supported at the supreme court
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level. so we may have to take it there but i wish it were here in chicago so you could join me at 1:00 when you see dozens of dreamers come, maybe we don't have the document to prepare, we will prepare the documents of support. >> congressman you say eventually they'll have the opportunity, that's what you believe. should the white house have been ready? why not have legal argument ready to go when they knew this judge would probably decide what he did. >> sure. i can't speak to that. i can only speak that we're ready, we're ready today. we didn't organize this event. we knew today was the first day, we were ready for the decision but look, the court issued the decision at 1:00 in the morning, not exactly the best time for people to be reading legal opinions and respond to them but let me just say this the republican party is making a critical mistake. the militancy that will be
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activated throughout the immigrant community, voter participation, voter anger at the republican party as a party on the united states, i think you're going to see it in unprecedented manner. look you may think you won today, your victory will be short-lived, november 2016 is coming around the corner and this will come back to haunt you. >> congressman luis gutierrez from illinois, thank you for being with me. appreciate your time. >> thank you so much. let me bring in texas congressman blake far enhoe. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> you heard the congressman from illinois say this is attack on families. this is going to have repercussion not only on families effected but throughout the country in bigger ways than we are even thinking about now. what is your response to that? >> listen the president's policies were an attack on the
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constitution. congress has authority. i think the supreme court will uphold this ruling i think this will make it to the supreme court. >> why do you think everybody will agree with the ruling? >> congress specifically has the authority to set uniform system of naturalization. that's the language in the constitution. what the president has done rather than using prosecutorial discretion, the basis of their argument there were set rules. there was no discretion at all, if you met these criteria boom you qualify. that's what the law is for. prosecutorial discretion is a system you look at individual facts and circumstances. you might use prosecutorial discretion for somebody who shop lifts food for their family as opposed to somebody that goes and shoplifts a diamond watch. >> so much focus is on the
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immigration action but is it not also in couple bent upon congress that has that purview to deal with immigration reform? you and the congressman from illinois probably agree that immigration system is broken in this country. >> absolutely. what we've got to do is take it one step at a time. what i hear consistently from my constituents in texas is once we secure the border let's deal with immigration. but what's the point in doing immigration reform or doing some program like daca if 15 years down the road we have another 11 plus million people not lawfully present in the country. let's secure the border get in tear yor enforcement, deal with visa overstayers. once we keep the promise the reagan administration made of securing the borders, deal with the issues. take it one step at a time and we can understand it. >> on the homeland security funding fight, let me play jeh
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johnson, wrapping up remarks on violent extremism. >> we are unable to engage in new starts new initiatives for spending, new initiatives, new spending for border security. we still need to pay for enhanced border security we put in place last summer. >> so the question is dhs needs to be funded right? coming up on 27th of february in a couple of minutes. >> and we voted to fund it in the house of representatives. and the senate hasn't taken it up. they can't get 60 votes to debate the issue. let the senate take it up. if they don't like what we did in the house, they have an open process in the senate can amend it, send it back to the house. once again, we are stalled in the united states senate. we have done our job in the house, funded the entire department of homeland security except for executive amnesty program that's a moot issue because the courts stopped it. senate ought to take it up next week, pass it put it on the president's desk. >> congressman, thank you for
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being with me. appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up foreign policy and family legacy two issues jeb bush is set to tackle in a pretty important speech for him today in chicago. while it is 4 degrees in the windy city a heated election is just days away. we will tell you why mayor rami manual's election isn't a done deal. check this out, incredible image of niagara falls on the u.s. canadian border. look at that. it is completely frozen! there's a gap out there. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when grandparents get to live at home instead of in a home. so let's do it. let's simplify healthcare. let's close the gap between people and care.
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emanuel. he has soaring murder rates, closure of nearly 50 public schools. chicago tribune poll finds the mayor gaining steam, but falling sort of 50% threshold to avoid a runoff. president obama who cut a radio ad supporting his former chief of staff will be in town thursday in an event for the mayor. with me now, lynn sweet, from chicago sun times. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> you heard that this new poll from rahm emanuel, avoided runoff in 2011 how did he get here. >> he got here people saw him in office four years. it is easy to make promises when you're new, it is easy to have to answer for the record. i talked to some of his advisers, they think he might squeak through with a point or two over that 50%. but he's had a rough four years and rahm emanuel as a lot of
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people know is an abrasive personality, and the brashness in a lot of places in chicago didn't play well especially when he made decisions without a lot of community buy in particularly closing of a few dozen public schools. >> and i want to turn to jeb bush. he is heading to chicago to speak on the economy, attend a private fundraiser. talk about how much cash there is to be raised in chicago for both parties. >> chicago is a big city tons of political cash no matter what the politics are. jeb bush today after his speech before chicago council on global affairs is going to go to a few high dollar events. i think he will take 3 million at least out of the city just from the afternoon. what's interesting is that a lot of people who are the backbone of fund raising events were core team of big time mitt romney fund raisers. >> interesting. the state has seen a turnaround in the past few months. voters are electing a republican
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governor for the first time in 12 years, how is that playing for 2016? >> i think it doesn't necessarily mean the state has turned red. i think it has unique circumstance of now former governor pat quinn, who just didn't have a lot of popularity going into the contest, beat by a guy who put tens of millions of his own money in. if hillary clinton is nominee of the democratic party, people may forget she was born in chicago, grew up in a chicago suburb. she will have a pretty good homecoming, that should bring out democratic votes, but right now it is the money primary, and in illinois for now jeb bush is way ahead. >> lynn sweet of chicago sun times, thanks for being here. >> good to see you. jeb bush's speech billed as address on foreign policy. watchers are listening to see if immigration makes its way in there. bush responded to the tuesday court decision saying the president overstepped his
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executive authority. former texas governor rick perry called it a major victory for rule of law, and bobby gin tal said the ruling was a result of the president ignoring the law. here is senator ted cruz last night on fox. >> last night's ruling was a major victory for the rule of law. texas led a coalition of 26 states challenging the president's illegal and unconstitutional executive amnesty, and it is a major step in stopping and permanently stopping the illegal amnesty that the president put into effect in november in defiance of the results of the polls in november of 2014. >> thank you for being with me. i start with you. the issue of immigration and court battle how can the statements come back to haunt republicans in 2016?
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that's what congressman gutierrez was saying a little while ago. >> i don't think they'll come back to haunt anyone but the democrats. this is about the rule of law. obviously the underlying effect is on the president's immigration order, but it has to do with whether the president has overstepped his authority. republicans and democrats are concerned about this. majority of the states have brought a lawsuit. bipartisan concern in congress. both democrats and republicans. this is a terrible precedent for our country. we are going to have an imperial president that can ignore the law and create law. this isn't about the former president's use of executive action. this has to do with the president nullifying existing statutes creating law, that's what executive action is about. this isn't about immigration. this should concern every american. i think it is incredible step forward as governor abbott stated.
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>> and angela i imagine you don't agree. >> of course i don't, jose neither do you. i think the first and foremost address the executive action. it has everything to do with past presidents going back to eisenhower, the only distinction between this president and those who acted on immigration are frankly his race. >> oh, please oh, please. >> i know oh, please. but let me tell you this. you talked about legal precedent. tell you what over 130 legal scholars said over 12 states said what over 30 mayors said. all those entities that have more immigrants in their population than the states you mention. you want to talk legal precedent, let me tell thu. our president happens to be a former constitutional law professor. >> you need a pressure course. >> no, he doesn't. >> he needs a refresher course. >> i am not even to the comment,
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but let me finish. neither do the 130 plus legal scholars. how dare you come across as someone who doesn't respect the legal authority of these minds. that's crazy. >> very quickly, jose i'll say this. legal authority is established by the courts. the executive actions of former presidents were implementing the law. i am a lawyer had nothing to do with creating or nullifying the law. the dean of harvard law school a liberal, has said the president has exceeded his authority. this is not about race this is about the imperial presidency. >> stop a second if you both could, not trying to diminish your passion on this. let's talk about political implications for 2016 because the fact is that whether it is legal or not, whether there's 152 constitutional lawyers on one side and these on the other, let's talk about the political impact that this will have on
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the 2016 vote when latinos look at this many in the latino community see this as there but for the grace of god go i, these young people today that are registering for daca are not going to be able to do that. don't you see that there's a possibility this could have a political impact on the presidential election of 2016? >> i think in a positive way for republicans. every poll i have seen shows majority of the american people think the president has exceeded his authority, as he has. if we frame this the right way, which it has to be framed which has to do with the rule of law, republicans stand for immigration reform we are going to get immigration reform done. it is a question of how it gets accomplished. that's the message we need to send. i think most americans understand that there is a responsibility to balance power in the united states and we cannot have an imperial presidency, and that this is about that not about an attack on immigrants as much as they would like to make it so.
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>> angela you think this concept that this will be separated from the human emotional side and it will be stuck on the legislative and presidential powers side is going to carry through through 2016? >> absolutely not. i think we have seen that people don't understand how the gop could approach this so inhumanly. we are not only operating in that space, but it is dangerous, standoff between house and senate, whether or not dhs will be funded is not just lacking of compassion at this point, it is also very dangerous. >> angela this is a bipartisan concern. >> i tell you what. >> we can continue this conversation for a little more i am feeling, sensing this i don't know how. i thank you both for being with me. appreciate you being with me. up next best in show. let's take a breather. i want to show you miss p, pulls
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good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall this is "newsnation." we begin with the latest atrocities from isis as the u.s. steps up its fight against the terror group. iraqi officials say 48 people captured by isis were burned to death in he will baghdad ee. that town is not far from a u.s. air base. isis fighters launched new attacks in attempt to capture major oil city of irbil. a senior official tells nbc news the u.s. will provide increased equipment and training for moderate syrian rebels fighting isis and syrian government forces, it is what administration critics,
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including senators john mccain and lindsey graham have been calling for for some time. in addition, the obama administration agreed for the first time to the widespread sale of armed drones to american allies fighting isis and other terror groups. allies like france italy, turkey have been clamoring for the controversial weapons which have become a cornerstone of the u.s. counter terrorism strategy. ayman mohyeldin joins us with the latest developments. let's go through the line. first off, some of the territory that isis is attempting to acquire in addition to iraqi officials saying 48 others captured by isis burned to death. >> it shows you how isis is capable of fighting multiple fronts, in the south or southwest part of iraq territory they controlal-baghdadi. we heard that they're combat or noncombat troops the u.s. are just there to be advisers supporters. gives you a sense of the danger they're in. they're a short mile or two from wh

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